KartRider Ladder

[Okiesmokie]

Kartrider Unofficial Ladder

I would just like to inform everyone that there has been a ladder system for Kartrider created at: http://www.igl.net/kartrider/ It is free to sign up. I believe using it would bring an extra level of competition (and fun?) to the game :)

When registering, please make your Ladder name the same as your Kartrider character's name. It is also best not to use the same password for the ladder that you use for Kartrider.

Also note that if this gains popularity, tournaments can also be held for ranks and skill rating.


FAQ:

What is a ladder system?
A ladder system is basically a method of ranking players.

It works like this:
Player A challenges Player B to a match.
Player B accepts and both players log on the game and play eachother in a 1v1 game.
The loser of the match then logs onto the website (http://www.igl.net/kartrider) and clicks the "Report Loss" button under "The Ladder" on the left menu.
The winner's win is then recorded, and the new ranks and statistics of the users are calculated.


How does ranking work?
Everyone starts off as 'unranked.' When you play another unranked player and win, you will be placed at bottom of the rankings.

When you beat a player who is ranked (and is ranked higher than you), your rank will be increased by half of the distance between your rank and your opponents.
For example: The person ranked 10 beats the person ranked 1, the player who was previously ranked 10 will now be ranked 5.


How does skill rating work?
Aside from just rankings, there is also a 'skill rating' that is given to each player.
For more information on skill ratings you can read about them at this link:
http://www.igl.net/rating.html


For more answers to common questions visit: http://www.igl.net/faq/

If you have any more questions/comments, leave them here and I will try my best to answer them.

[Khaine]

I like this idea ALOT.

[RKAddict]

How do you sign up?

[Khaine]

Picture of how to:
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9844/pikturevk0.png
Follow Steps 1-4

[iamj]

How do you sign up?

Link in left menu of the site "Free Signup" :P

[RKBaller]

They ask for your birthday. :O Can I fake it?

[RKAddict]

Ohh, ok, I see, I expected to be one individual ladder in a whole site of different ladders, so if you signed up, you'd just have an account on the base system, not just the kartrider one.

Anyways, I get it now.

[Surreal]

Looks cool.
I'll have to practice some more though.

[iamj]

also, is there going to be a team ladder?

[Surreal]

also, is there going to be a team ladder?Yeahhh
That'd be a good idea

[Okiesmokie]

also, is there going to be a team ladder?
If people actually use the ladder, I can create a sub-ladder for teams :)

[Congee]

Gotta say, bothers me a bit that this person signed up just to advertise this ladder.

Anyway, I thought there was a ranking system (eventually). Wouldn't that be the same as this ladder system?

[RKAddict]

There isn't a true ranking system. There's the record system, which will come out later. Don't even know if there's a such thing as "official" rankings.

[iamj]

Besides that, rankings are not the same as a Ladder. A ladder is like a constant competition with challenges.

Say for example, in theory, the top ranked person in NAKR, could very easily suck. How? he could easily just play alot and gain alot of exp. Like i did in popkart :P on a ladder, the top person is forced to defend his position/rank through challenges.

Used to play a ladder for Quake 3... its quite fun if you're competitive in w/e game you play..

[Okiesmokie]

There is a link to the upcoming 'ranking' system on the kartrider website, but like iamj said, that is only based on total XP, not skill.

Gotta say, bothers me a bit that this person signed up just to advertise this ladder.

Anyway, I thought there was a ranking system (eventually). Wouldn't that be the same as this ladder system?
I didn't even know about this website until I randomly played MapleStory yesterday for the first time in over a year, and went to sleepywood.net and saw the affiliate. You guys should advertise more.

[Congee]

And what happens when the players don't properly report their wins and losses?

Doesn't matter how you find out, all I'm saying is that it bothers me that you made the account just for this purpose.

[RKAddict]

Edit-
Nevermind this post.

[Okiesmokie]

And what happens when the players don't properly report their wins and losses?
There is no reporting of wins. If players don't report the loss, you submit a screenshot of the end of the race using the "Unreported Match" feature on the website.

Doesn't matter how you find out, all I'm saying is that it bothers me that you made the account just for this purpose.
So you'd rather I hadn't made an account at all? Good mentality to have if you want the community to grow.

[Congee]

Let's not put words in my mouth nor make assumptions. I'm not wrong am I? As of now, you're here just for this thread. That's all I've said, isn't it? I've implied nothing else. Just expressed my discomfort with it. Making an account to post in one thread and not contributing elsewhere to the community, imo, is not helping the community really grow. Granted, NOW you finally decided to post elsewhere, but you hadn't earlier.

Anyway, how about ss edits then?

[Okiesmokie]

Let's not put words in my mouth nor make assumptions.
Quit being a hypocite. Just because I made an account to be able to post information about the ladder doesn't mean I didn't intend to post elsewhere. Seems you're the one making assumptions.

Granted, NOW you finally decided to post elsewhere, but you hadn't earlier.
God forbid I don't post elsewhere at 12:00 in the morning when I made my account.

Anyway, how about ss edits then?
It's easy to tell the difference between edits and not. Prove me wrong, show me an example of a decent edit where: The player on the podium is shown in first place; the player's name is shown beside the first place box and the other player's name is shown beside the second place box; the times are correctly edited, and believable.

[RKAddict]

I'll also explain.

The loser has to report the game. If one player attempts to cheat, nothing will be reported.

Then one of the players will show the screenshot of them winning. If both players show this screenshot, then it's pretty obvious that one is edited.

In that case, the match can be declared undecided. Okiesmokie or someone else in charge can watch another match between the two competitors.

Another way to be absolutely sure of the winner is the video file. Which hasn't come out yet, but hopefully will soon.

Doubt anyone has enough skills to edit that.

And if the same player for some reason keeps on coming up with undeclared matches, it will be obvious what's going on.

[Okiesmokie]

I'll also explain.

The loser has to report the game. If one player attempts to cheat, nothing will be reported.

Then one of the players will show the screenshot of them winning. If both players show this screenshot, then it's pretty obvious that one is edited.

In that case, the match can be declared undecided. Okiesmokie or someone else in charge can watch another match between the two competitors.

Another way to be absolutely sure of the winner is the video file. Which hasn't come out yet, but hopefully will soon.

Doubt anyone has enough skills to edit that.
Thanks taco, you've added some more good points :) And yeah, the video recording thing will help tremendously in the area of false-reporting. If one was really worried their opponent wouldn't report, they could take a fraps video; but that would also put them at risk of losing because of the performance drop :(

[Congee]

I didn't say I didn't make assumptions, but with my last post, I didn't say you were doing so since I did mention that you finally posted in other sections, explaining why I said what I did. And again, I only expressed my discomfort with it. You had the time to respond to other threads seeing how you took the time to respond to this, so you can't say that you didn't have time at x o' clock when you obviously did have enough time to respond.

I'm not trying to prove you nor your system to be faulty so there's no reason for me to show you an edit. I'm actually trying to ask you how things would work for a better understanding of it, and in the same manner, had you not though of possible situations, you would have been able to before it occurred.

If they do win one race, but needs to have a rematch and lose, couldn't there be other factors that might be contributing to their loss (lag, etc)? Some/many of these wins would be mere luck, wouldn't they? How would you account for those? Perhaps instead of one race, make them race at least 3 separate times?

[Okiesmokie]

I didn't say I didn't make assumptions, but with my last post, I didn't say you were doing so since I did mention that you finally posted in other sections, explaining why I said what I did. And again, I only expressed my discomfort with it. You had the time to respond to other threads seeing how you took the time to respond to this, so you can't say that you didn't have time at x o' clock when you obviously did have enough time to respond.

I'm not trying to prove you nor your system to be faulty so there's no reason for me to show you an edit. I'm actually trying to ask you how things would work for a better understanding of it, and in the same manner, had you not though of possible situations, you would have been able to before it occurred.
Then you can knock off the hostility towards me. You did not have a clue what my intentions were, so you shouldn't have made assumptions: end of story.

If they do win one race, but needs to have a rematch and lose, couldn't there be other factors that might be contributing to their loss (lag, etc)? Some/many of these wins would be mere luck, wouldn't they? How would you account for those? Perhaps instead of one race, make them race at least 3 separate times?
If lag is the problem, it's going to be evident in all three races. If someone feels they were cheated out of a game, it will be between them and their opponent to have another match instead. As soon as you hit the "ready" button on the game; you're in it for the long run as far as the rules are concerned.

[Congee]

Lag wouldn't necessarily be the issue in 3 separate races (3 different times/dates). And what of the luck wins and losses? Those wouldn't so much measure skill and the such. How would the system account for that?

And no, I was not being hostile towards you. I expressed my discomfort with the fact that all you did was post in here and nowhere else, yes, as that does not contribute to the community. I was not hostile towards you, and did not express anything close to an attack on you.

[Okiesmokie]

Lag wouldn't necessarily be the issue in 3 separate races (3 different times/dates). And what of the luck wins and losses? Those wouldn't so much measure skill and the such. How would the system account for that?
There is an asepct of luck in anything. Skill will overcome luck every time. If someone is lagging and is able to effect you, you simply don't have enough skill to be far enough ahead of them for it not to. Unless by luck you mean your computer spontaneously catches fire in the middle of the match, in whichcase; that's your problem.

And no, I was not being hostile towards you. I expressed my discomfort with the fact that all you did was post in here and nowhere else, yes, as that does not contribute to the community. I was not hostile towards you, and did not express anything close to an attack on you.
Creating a method of community interaction via friendly competition brings nothing to the community? It seems you need to re-think your position.

[RKAddict]

hurry up!!!

[Congee]

There is an asepct of luck in anything. Skill will overcome luck every time. If someone is lagging and is able to effect you, you simply don't have enough skill to be far enough ahead of them for it not to. Unless by luck you mean your computer spontaneously catches fire in the middle of the match, in whichcase; that's your problem.
Skill won't necessarily overcome luck every time if it only requires one match.


Creating a method of community interaction via friendly competition brings nothing to the community? It seems you need to re-think your position.
The whole game can be considered friendly competition. Making an account to advertise your own site and nothing more than that does not contribute to the community, no. Before you go off and say something like "I'm posting in other places" or "excuse me for not having time to post before", I didn't say that it was explicitly referring to you, since you have indeed posted in other places now. But in general, that's right, making an account to advertise and nothing else doesn't contribute, no.
Edit: and is against the rules.

[RKAddict]

gogogo!

[Okiesmokie]

There is an asepct of luck in anything. Skill will overcome luck every time. If someone is lagging and is able to effect you, you simply don't have enough skill to be far enough ahead of them for it not to. Unless by luck you mean your computer spontaneously catches fire in the middle of the match, in whichcase; that's your problem.
Skill won't necessarily overcome luck every time if it only requires one match.
Re-read what I said, then reply.



Creating a method of community interaction via friendly competition brings nothing to the community? It seems you need to re-think your position.
The whole game can be considered friendly competition. Making an account to advertise your own site and nothing more than that does not contribute to the community, no. Before you go off and say something like "I'm posting in other places" or "excuse me for not having time to post before", I didn't say that it was explicitly referring to you, since you have indeed posted in other places now. But in general, that's right, making an account to advertise and nothing else doesn't contribute, no.
"Gotta say, bothers me a bit that this person signed up just to advertise this ladder." <- How is that not referring to me?

Edit: and is against the rules.
I'm pretty sure KartExtreme.net would approve of this ladder. It seems like you're the only person who has a problem with it. Just FYI: Flaming and Drama are both also against the rules, and it is what you are doing right now. Seems you've been busted for hypocracy twice now.

[Divad]

Congee, you're being rediciously silly with your view of Okiesmokie's concept to bring the community together. The website in question wasn't his own; it's a well-known website for community-based ladders that has been going for a while now. Okiesmokie didn't join just to spam or advertise, he was attempting to bring the community together while preforming a routine thing that is done in games that can have ladder-based events (it's much like how many other events occur in card games, board games, racing games, and generally any sports game[s]).

While the concept of posting the times and thus may come to a shock, this doesn't mean that there's a full level of 'luck' or 'skill'. It's just something fun to keep up with - just like how people on Sleepywood have been posting things like: Guild rankings, Class rankings, and other similar aspects to MapleStory. Kart Rider, on the other hand, is more adaptive to the ladder ranking system as it can be done quickly, in a "player versus player" environment (unlike MS - where the only ranking can really be done by level). Lag can be a contributed problem while having community-based (operated and managed by a member of the community), as they haven't some type of direct connection to the server that someone at Nexon America or any other licensed distributors of Kart Rider would have (thus, latency will be a problem in viewing/judging the situation). Although, at the end of the day, it still depends on what the server throws out (ie: who wins, what time they had, etc). It's nothing too difficult to keep up with - that's why ladder systems are so popular in just about any type of game (even some RPGs with a strong sense of PvP/GvG - like Guild Wars or World of Warcraft).

Let it go, it's not like he was spamming or advertising one of those horribly lame sites about sucking someone's blood, their myspace, or some revenue site that gives them a small amount of money for viewing it. All proceeds from advertisements on the site being linked in this thread are going directly to the owner (which Okiesmokie is not - if you do some whois background and just poke around at the site alone without being biased about Okiesmokie's participation with the site overall).

Latahs.

[RKAddict]

It bothers me a shitload that you made an account just to come in this thread and advertise your love for OkieSmokie. Very disgraceful.

No hostility, just saying it bothers me.

[Congee]

Actually, I did read what you said and it didn't answer my question. This ladder only requires that you play the person once, right? And then if someone loses, they report it. So if it only requires one match, and the person merely wins by luck, then how would it account for that? Like, if my opponent wins by luck and will not rematch me, so I don't report my loss, but my opponent reports it, then how would that be dealt with? You said rematches, but again, you also said that the sses most likely won't be faked, so believing that, the rematches would be unlikely, right? How would that work?

You seem to be misunderstanding my last post. My last post, about the "making an account to advertise your own site and nothing more than that does not contribute to the community" was not explicitly referring to you, no. My first post was, yes. But my last post was a response to your "Creating a method of community interaction via friendly competition brings nothing to the community? It seems you need to re-think your position.", and other statements about advertising your site in response to my saying that accounts made for advertising don't contribute. I don't see what's hard to understand when I'm already saying that I acknowledge your posting in other areas, and so I take back what I said and apologize. All I'm saying that an account that is made for advertising is indeed just that, and does not contribute.

At what point did I say I had a problem with it? I'm asking you questions to see how it works, and if any of the questions I ask are something you haven't though about yet, it gives you a chance to think about it before it happens. I haven't said "your site sucks! it's useless!" and crap like that. I'm genuinely asking questions to see how it would work, and if something came up that you haven't though over yet, then that'd be helping you as well. I'm actually trying to help you with these questions, and not putting your site down.

Btw, I haven't been flaming you nor trying to cause drama. Criticism is not the same as flaming.

[RKAddict]

Actually, I did read what you said and it didn't answer my question. This ladder only requires that you play the person once, right? And then if someone loses, they report it. So if it only requires one match, and the person merely wins by luck, then how would it account for that?

You don't win merely by luck. If someone gets flipped at the beginning, and they don't have the skill to catch up to you, then they probably didn't deserve to win in the first place.

Just so you know, there's a system in Kart Rider. It's called the pulling system. The person in first goes the normal speed. Everyone that is not in first consecutively goes slightly faster. That way, if two people play the same way and are exactly the same close to the wall, etc. then the person in 2nd will eventually catch up to the person in first.

[Okiesmokie]

Actually, I did read what you said and it didn't answer my question. This ladder only requires that you play the person once, right? And then if someone loses, they report it. So if it only requires one match, and the person merely wins by luck, then how would it account for that?
Give me an example of winning by luck that isn't lag; then. You're trying to get me to rebut something that you haven't laid down.

At what point did I say I had a problem with it? ..snip..
The point where you referred to the rules about my post.

Btw, I haven't been flaming you nor trying to cause drama. Criticism is not the same as flaming.
Criticism with the intent to be hostile is the textbook definition of flaming, my dear.

[Congee]

I have no example since I'm only giving hypothetical situations. A person could merely be having a bad day (or good day) and can be winning like that. I come in first all the time and I suck at the game. It wouldn't be fair to other people if I won the match and wouldn't let them re-match me.

Yes, I have a problem with advertising, that's right. I never said I had a problem with the site though.

I'm being critical yes, but I have no intent of being hostile as I'm actually trying to make suggestions or give situations that you guys could expand on, should such things actually happen.

[RKAddict]

I have no example since I'm only giving hypothetical situations. A person could merely be having a bad day (or good day) and can be winning like that. I come in first all the time and I suck at the game. It wouldn't be fair to other people if I won the match and wouldn't let them re-match me.

If they cannot catch up, then they are not that skilled. Perhaps they are better than you most of the time, but not all the time. Rematches can always take place. Simply challenge them again.

Edit-

But what if the person is unwilling to rematch? Like hell, I know I won by luck. What if I don't want to rematch and decide to report it as.. what was it "unreported matches" (because the other person didn't want to report his loss since he felt it was unfair)?
People that cannot handle losing will never become that great anyways.

You win sometimes, you lose sometimes. There is a such thing as winning by luck, but in that case, both people need to be mature about it and decide what to do.

If people are unhappy with their situation, then they should appeal to OkieSmokie or one of the other ladder moderators. Then they can be forced to have a rematch.

[Congee]

But what if the person is unwilling to rematch? Like hell, I know I won by luck. What if I don't want to rematch and decide to report it as.. what was it "unreported matches" (because the other person didn't want to report his loss since he felt it was unfair)?

[RKBaller]

Ay, fighting/flaming/ what ever the hell your doing ends here. Flaming/bashing will end after this post. Post stuff that's actually meaningful to the thread.

v No..it doesn't.

[Lolegasm]

I agree whole-heartedly with what Congee is saying. This ladder won't accurately determine the skill of people, as some races come down to pure luck. I really don't get why everyone is arguing against this point made by her. Sure, this ladder has a good chance of flourishing and becoming popular, but all she is trying to say is that it will not be accurate in determining the true skill of a player. She makes a valid point, which I am in total agreement with. Pointless arguing won't help anyone.

I am going to sign up for this ladder anyway, and I'm sure it will do well and become successful with time. All I am saying is that I don't believe it will be 100% accurate.

That doesn't count as flaming, does it? :?

[Okiesmokie]

I agree whole-heartedly with what Congee is saying. This ladder won't accurately determine the skill of people, as some races come down to pure luck. I really don't get why everyone is arguing against this point made by her. Sure, this ladder has a good chance of flourishing and becoming popular, but all she is trying to say is that it will not be accurate in determining the true skill of a player. She makes a valid point, which I am in total agreement with. Pointless arguing won't help anyone.

I am going to sign up for this ladder anyway, and I'm sure it will do well and become successful with time. All I am saying is that I don't believe it will be 100% accurate.

That doesn't count as flaming, does it? :?
As you start to play more and more games, the skill level will override the luck level. Again, I still don't have a valid example of what "winning by luck" is.

[Jaguar]

Flying lag?

[iamj]

There is no luck in speed.

The only "luck", is if you're in second place, and the person ahead of you fucks up. That's you getting "lucky", but it isnt luck.

[Okiesmokie]

There is no luck in speed.

The only "luck", is if you're in second place, and the person ahead of you fucks up. That's you getting "lucky", but it isnt luck.
That's not luck, that's the lack of skill of your opponent.

[Lolegasm]

There is no luck in speed.

The only "luck", is if you're in second place, and the person ahead of you fucks up. That's you getting "lucky", but it isnt luck.
That's not luck, that's the lack of skill of your opponent.

Actually, if the person infront of you is skilled, then that is unlucky for them, making it lucky for you.

Yes, it is their fault, and it means they don't deserve to win the race, but it's still lucky for you.

[Okiesmokie]

There is no luck in speed.

The only "luck", is if you're in second place, and the person ahead of you fucks up. That's you getting "lucky", but it isnt luck.
That's not luck, that's the lack of skill of your opponent.

Actually, if the person infront of you is skilled, then that is unlucky for them, making it lucky for you.

Yes, it is their fault, and it means they don't deserve to win the race, but it's still lucky for you.
It's not unlucky for them; it's unskillful. If they had enough skill they wouldn't have crashed.

[RKAddict]

Stop talking about this stupid crap, it doesn't even matter.